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Sorry  But it was an interesting aside in my books. |
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sues
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so from what I have read it seems we have put the idea of reincarnation to bed. It cannot happen as it seems you have to have a soul to start with and that would mean that the population of the world would not of increased.
Perhaps souls are "born" as well and that new ones get created so that the population can advance. If we didn't have new souls and just kept reusing the old ones we would still be living in the stone age (don't pick me up on that just a figure of speach).
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phil
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ERm... A new soul born with a new body? Isn't that what people who don't believe in re-incarnation are effectively saying?
And if you're saying that it's just some bodies that get new souls, how is it decided which bodies get a recycled soul, and which get a new one? Come to that, if there is some sort of "soul generation" device, why is there a need for reincarnation at all???
As for your stone age thing - that would be true if humans couldn't learn new things. But even "clean" souls put into babies learn all manner of things very quickly, and throughout their life. With the invention of language it's possible to pass on what you've learnt to the next generation, without having to show them (this allows you to pass on abstract things, as well as things you can demonstrate), and with writing, it's possible to pass on your learning to all future generations, regardless of their relation to you. So souls tend to accumulate new knowledge regardless of their reincarnated status. |
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| Quote: | | And also this brings us to the "chicken or the egg? question. If you need to receive a soul in order to be born, then where did the 1st human soul come from? |
Maybe God farted and that created the first soul, and sometimes he has terrible wind which creates more souls which then need to find a body and then they get the next avilible body and then thats why the population keeps increasing cause god just LOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVEEES those eggs and beans!!!
just to clear things up this is not being serious so dont take it as so!!!!!!!!!
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oh yeah and some times there isnt enough souls to go round and then people like george bush are born 
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phil
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| insonstis wrote: | | <snip>and then thats why the population keeps increasing cause god just LOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVEEES those eggs and beans!!! |
That's an interesting point actually. When you think on it what does God eat for his tea????
Sorry, just had to throw that in there.... |
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| sues wrote: | | so from what I have read it seems we have put the idea of reincarnation to bed. It cannot happen as it seems you have to have a soul to start with and that would mean that the population of the world would not of increased. |
There are more people alive now than in the whole history of the planet, but that doesn't necessarily rule out reincarnation.
If you get over the whole 1 soul = 1 body thing, there are a number of different versions to choose from. Scientologists "believe" that many souls make up one person.
Some Gaian thought says that all souls trapped living in bodies are just temporarily removed from the hive soul. It neatly accounts for the rise in population, Napoleon having being reborn into several different people, and means that you do get to be reintegrated, which is quite close to being reincarnated. This standing wave of consciousness which is "you" could also end up being a creature again in the future. |
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phil
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Ooooh, that Gaian concept is a nifty little work around, very clever. Does smack a little of the Borg tho *lol* |
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sues
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not knowing anything about the Gaian's (excuse my ignorance  ) and the only thing I know for sure about Scientology is what you hear in the papers about the likes of that stupid little twerp Tom Cruise I can't really comment but thank you rev_lovejoy for trying to make it at least seem possible.
As I said on an earlier post in this thread, reincarnation is muddled in my head. My initial thoughts was mainly about spirits as I had had experiences where "mediums" have told me things that they shouldn't possibly know, so how did they?
I would like to think that when we die (pass over) that we meet up those that we have known in our life time, and why the hell should this be the only dimension.
I really hope that I can come back and haunt the bejesus out of Phil 
So if there are spirits are they lost souls, or are they just visiting to keep and eye, give a helping hand, kind word to the grieving families/friends.
Or is it one enormous party trick and if so how did they trick me 
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| sues wrote: | | not knowing anything about the Gaian's (excuse my ignorance ) |
Don't worry, it's not ignorance, it's not actually a religion. Gaia theory states that you can treat the Earth, in its entirety, as a living organism. It's a relatively short step from accepting the idea of Gaia (a living Mother Earth) to the idea that "consciousness" could just be separation from Gaia.
| sues wrote: | | and the only thing I know for sure about Scientology is what you hear in the papers about the likes of that stupid little twerp Tom Cruise I can't really comment |
Sure you can; everything they say in the papers about that rotten "religion" is absolutely true It's past life regression therapy dressed up as "tech".
| sues wrote: | | As I said on an earlier post in this thread, reincarnation is muddled in my head. My initial thoughts was mainly about spirits as I had had experiences where "mediums" have told me things that they shouldn't possibly know, so how did they? |
To be honest, I would just suspect that most of the mediums were just expert cold readers. That's not to say they're misleading you maliciously; if you talk to most of them, they describe the gift as a kind of feeling or intuition - it's a subconcious thing. Also, they tolerate a large level of inaccuracy - which is probably why the medium was freaked out when you showed her your push bike. |
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Is there mathematical proof for life after death? No. But if you believe the life-changing evidence for God, Jesus and the Bible, then heaven is as much a concrete reality for you as the Lord in whom you’ve invested your absolute trust. It’s not fantasy – it’s the absolute life-changing hope that strengthens us and gives us peace.
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